Rolling Stone (German Edition) – Mark Hollis Obituary 2019

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On the death of Mark Hollis: The man who needed no role models

by Sebastian Zabel 02/26/2019

He sang in a gesture of desperation, which one could find romantic. The record company also believed Talk Talk could be New Romantics. In the end he pushed his music into the open, genres dissolved in a sound of great freedom. An obituary for Mark Hollis.

A thin man with a long parting in the middle, straggly hair falling over his face, ears sticking out to the left and right, eyes behind dark wire-rimmed glasses. Mark Hollis wasn’t a pop star, he was the opposite of a pop star. A shy artist who refused the constraints and demands of the music industry, who gave up everything at the peak of his success, or rather: did what he and his band were headed for with unprecedented consistency, in the end alone with his producer and a piece of music of disappearance. Now Mark Hollis is dead.

His band was called Talk Talk, after a song the London musician wrote early on. The song “Talk Talk” had already set the tone that would make Hollis’ band unique: a perfunctory synth-pop track with lava flowing beneath its shell. Mark Hollis sang with an air of desperation, which could be considered romantic, and his record company thought the young band, which also included Hollis on bassist Paul Webb, drummer Lee Harris and keyboardist Simon Brenner, would do well to sway into the early ’80s To be able to fit in with the new romance wave. The Party’s Over was the name of their first album, a statement that was lost in the roar of its contemporaries Duran Duran and Depeche Mode.

Hollis could write hits. “It’s My Life”, “Such A Shame”, “Dum Dum Girl” – British pop music of the mid-80s had few better. And nobody could combine euphoria and depression more convincingly. “Funny, how I find myself in love with you?/ If I could buy my reasoning, I’d pay to lose,” Hollis sang emphatically, “It’s my life/ Don’t you forget/It never ends.”

That wasn’t true.

But of course, when 1986’s third album, The Color Of Spring, was released, there was no telling how Hollis would take his fellow musicians to the fringes of popular pop schemes and beyond. “Life’s What You Make It” is yet another unlikely and irresistible scream propelled by a powerful piano riff. A desperate celebration of life, baby.

After that, Mark Hollis and Talk Talk destroyed her career. Sprit Of Eden was released in 1988. They isolated themselves to the recordings in a church, ignored several of their label’s deadlines and far exceeded the budget. The album consisted of six pieces and knew no role models. At least not in the pop context it should have fit into. Hollis and producer Tim Friese-Greene, who had increasingly become Hollis’ closest musical partner, pushed their music into the open, genres dissolved in a sound of great freedom.

There were no more singles and nothing commercially to get. The label turned off the juice. And Hollis recorded a final talk-talk album with Friese-Greene called Laughing Stock, which is breathtaking in its soaring, meandering sonority. It was released on the jazz label Verve. A ghost piano gropes its way through “Taphead”, a trumpet finds a melody, Hollis whimpers from afar. The six pieces gyrate and flow into one another, like blues, jazz, trace elements of classical pop music and romantic classical music flow into one another. Mark Hollis’s desperation seemed to have given way to concentrated absorption.

Once again, twenty years ago, Mark Hollis gave a sign of life. He released a self-titled solo album, his first and only, a work of dissolution, music that seemed to stand in mid-air like a dragonfly, a sound against which Laughing Stock seemed heavy and voluminous. It was to be Hollis’ final departure from music.

What has Mark Hollis been up to for the past twenty years? One does not know. He remains hidden from the public. The few confidants he kept in touch with reported that he leads a modest life, made possible by the accomplishments of his hits, that he has an interest in football and shows no intention whatsoever of returning to music. A New Wave Syd Barrett.

He died on Monday February 18th.

Have You Heard The News by The Reaction

I’m picking up again

Well it got too much

After the accident

Couldnt feel no worse

Oh no no no no no

I turned around and saw him hit the ground

A little earlier, it was a game

I guess the barrier

Must have dropped away

I don’t have to read the news

D’you know anything I’m going through?

Yeah yeah yeah

Have you seen the news?

Hey

Did you see my photograph?

It was on page ten

I swore to everyone

No I’m not to blame

Oh no no no no no

I turned around and saw him hit the ground

A little earlier it was a game

I’m so disposable

You can throw me away yeah yeah

I don’t like to read the news

D’you know anything I’m going through?

Yeah yeah yeah

Have you seen the news?

Hey

What a fool I’ve been

Didn’t get to him in time

What’s been happening?

Its so hard to sleep at night yeah

Well yeah

Its so hard to sleep at night

To sleep at night

Have you seen the news?

Have you seen the news?

Have you seen the news?

Have you seen the news?

Have you heard, have you heard the news?

Have you heard, have you heard the news?

Have you heard, have you heard the news?

I Keep On Telling You – Mark Hollis Demo 1980

Something’s happening here

And you have to really know what’s exactly wrong with you

Wasting my time

Well yeah it’s so very clear it’s the same as mistreating…

I’m sure

If I tell you once

I’m sure

It will be enough

I’m sure

All the pills you do

I’m sure

Never seem to be any use

And if I’m telling you

All the reasons why

It means I’m telling you

What I can do without

Coz you waste my time

You’re pretending it’s so right

Never ending, all the time

do you have to be there?

I keep on telling you

Well yeah I’m talking bout you

I keep on telling you

It never seems to be any use

Playing some kind of game

We’re bending all ofthe rules

Trying to make you of some use

Always the same

Well yeah whatever I say

You will please stop pretending

I’m sure

What you say to me

I’m sure

And the things you see

I’m sure

All the things you do

I’m sure

Never seem to be any use

And if I’m telling you

All the reasons why

It means I’m telling you

What I can do without

Coz you waste my time

You’re pretending it’s so right

Never ending all the time

Do you have to be there?

I keep on telling you

It never seems to be any use

I keep on telling you

It never seems to be any use

I keep on telling you

I keep on telling you

I keep on telling you

I keep on telling you

I keep on telling you

I keep on telling you

I Keep On Telling You – The Reaction 1979

Somethings happening here

And you have to really know what’s exactly wrong with you

Wasting my time

Well yeah it’s so very clear it’s the same as mistreating…

I’m sure

If I tell you once

I’m sure

It will be enough

I’m sure

All the pills you do

I’m sure

Never seem to be any use

And if I’m telling you

All the reasons why

It means I’m telling you

WhatI can do without

Coz you waste my time

I can’t stand it, it’s so loud

you’re pretending one more time

do you have to be there?

I keep on telling you

Well yeah I’m talking bout you

I keep on telling you

Well yeah I’m talking bout you

Playing some kind of game

We’re bending all of the rules

Trying to make you of some use

Always the same

Well yeah whatever I say

You will please stop pretending

I’m sure

What you say to me

I’m sure

And the things you see

I’m sure

All the things you do

I’m sure

Never seem to be any use

And if I’m telling you

All the reasons why

It means I’m telling you

What I can do without

Coz you waste my time

Well I mean that I could cry

I can’t stand it one more time

Do you have to be there?

I keep on telling you

Well yeah I’m talking bout you

I keep on telling you

well yeah I’m talking bout you

I keep on telling you

I keep on telling you

I keep on telling you

Mirror Man – Mark Hollis Demo Version

Out on the street today

We’re parading around

We’re the height of the fashion

And she laughs ‘cos we look the same

And follow all of the rules

Every little bit of my time

Keeps me positive my clothes are in line

I’ll identify my true preening style

Mirror man

Oh mirror man

Mirror man

So we look the same

Mirror man

How else do you expect to live with the town?

Inside of her room today

She’s been working all hours

It’s a final presentation

Each day, dressed a different way

She’s the star of the road

Every little bit of her time

Keeps a visual check that she’s out of line

She’ll wear anything you can’t recognize

Mirror man

Oh mirror man

Mirror man

So we look the same

How else do you expect to live with the town?

Hey! It’s a different day.

Take a look you can throw your clothes away

Every little bit of her time

Keeps her checking that she stands out of line

She’ll wear anything you can’t recognise

Mirror Man

Oh mirror man

Mirror man

So we look the same

Mirror man

How else do you expect to live with the town?

Take a look we’re on your street today

Take a look we’re on your street today

Take a look we’re on your street today

Candy – Mark Hollis Demo Version

This sure is some kind of party

It’s so useful

Surrounds my life with excuses

For what I choose to lose

And my name

Doesn’t look the same to me  now now

No no not me now

And inside

Don’t you know that I feel so bad, yeah yeah

I try to buy more approval

Well I try to now now now now now

But these eyes that I look through

Tell me people don’t seem to matter all that much to me now

When it gets too late

To see me any other way

Anyway

And inside

Don’t you know I feel so bad?

Yeah yeah

Candy,

When I tried to turn away

To feel new again

(Candy)

My emotion cost me pain

Did I look the same

(Candy)

When I think about the times

That I laughed away

(Candy)

the idea you’d cheat me

But look again

What do you say ‘That’s my name’

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah…

And I hope that I’ve kept you amused

To wipe that spit right off my boots

And when I’m home and thinking in the dark

I hope I hope I hope I hope that none of this has had to go too far

When it gets too late

To see me any other way

And it gets so hard to hold on

To everything that I want so bad

Candy

When I tried to turn away

To feel new again

(Candy)

My emotion cost me pain

Did I look the same

(Candy)

When I think about the times

That I laughed away

(Candy)

the idea you’d cheat me

But look again

What do you say ‘That’s my name’

Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah yeah….

Tim Pope Video Show 1984 (with Mark Hollis) Part 1

[Tim singing intro music] Anything could happen in the next 45 minutes although it probably won’t. I’ve wanted to be many things in my life, I’ve wanted to be many things, but today-

MH: You wanted to be George Best once.

TP: I did wanna be George Best, yeah, And that’s why I drink SKY COLA (holds up can) hey, hey, this is weird. This is weird.

MH: I tell ya, this is the first time in my entire life that I have been in a spaceship. It is fantastic.

TP: Watch it, we’re turning left, we’re turning left. Turning right. And speaking of turning left and turning right, this next film is “I Want to be a Tree”.

(video plays)

TP: Blimey, he’s a beautiful chick, innee? Beautiful chick.

MH: He’s in a state, that boy.

TP: Definitely. Beautiful.

MH: I tell ya. Still. I found an elephant in my bath last week.

TP: Oh, that’s a shame.

MH: Yeah.

TP: Yeah. I had my hair cut last week.

MH: Shame. Shame. Yeah. I met Hayley Mills last week.

TP: That’s a shame, blimey.

MH: I had Tony Blackburn over for dinner last night.

TP: That’s a shame. Here, blimey! I’m planting my-I made some-

MH: “Blimey” Are you English or something?

TP: I made mango jam on Sunday.

MH: Yeah I tasted some, it was really nice.

TP: Aw, that’s a shame innit? That’s a shame.

MH: Yeah…

TP:And I’m planting my herb garden this week.

MH: We’re doing a dodgy link here for the next song.

TP: Very dodgy – which is called:

MH: Such a shame.

(video plays)

TP: How are you, allright? How are you?

MH: Shall I tell you what I like about this show, above everything?

TP: Yeah?

MH: You and me are the only people who get on it.

TP: It’s beautiful.

MH: I don’t have to listen to all these –

TP: It’s weird here in space. But I’m wondering what it gonna be next, what dodgy link.

MH: We’re going into dodgy links here.

TP: it’s outer spacey.

MH: I think what we should do is come clean, right. I should just come clean with the reason why I’m working with this boy. I’m working with him because the camera is looking at me.

TP: No it aint.

MH: Blimey that’s outrageous innit?

TP: Are we into the film?

MH: oh no.

(video plays)

MH: What’s it like, working with Neil?

TP: aw, Neil. Neil was one of the boys, y’know. I was out there in LA, driving around in the old thing, you know, it was great. Actually Neil, y’know something about Neil, Neil couldn’t afford his own shirts. That’s my shirt he’s got there.

MH: That is a beautiful shirt.

TP: It is a beautiful shirt. And what’s more, this is a beautiful, listen to this: (makes weird noise while pulling up his jersey to reveal a “I want to be a tree” tshirt) this is a beautiful shirt.

MH: It’s called the Tim Pope show. This is the name of the record. (Prompting) This is the name of my video.

TP: Yeah, and this is the name of my ears.

That is a beautiful shirt I think you’ll have to agree. “I want to be a tree.” Unfortunately that’s not the next film that we’re showing. Unfortunately I forgot that one. Unfortunately this next one, I think this next one’s the creatures. You know the creatures?  strange creatures you find in outer space, weird, weird…

(video plays)

[it’s my life video plays]

MH: do you know what? I think that was the first video I ever made with you.

TP: was it?

MH: do you realise that? I’d just like to say, that was the first video that we ever made together. The thing that appealed to me when I first met Popey, was that intellectually he had about the same level as a donut. The other thing that was really good about it, ysee, was his idea for this film was around Darwin’s theory of evolution, and if anybody ever…what’s the word? If anybody ever…what the word?

TP: the word? Ahh? The word. It’s, ah…magic.

MH: oh, no. (Laughing)

TP: oi you! The one in the vest! Get off this spaceship! (Takes camera from cameraman) you get off.

(Starts filming) Now. Beautiful.

MH: as I was saying, if anybody ever disproved Darwin’s Theory of Evolution it was Popey. Because, when everybody else was queuing up for brains this boy was at the bakery queuing up for a donut. But he is a beautiful boy. And his films prove it. And this next film is called “since yesterday” and it’s by a great group- sone people would say it’s a good group but I would say it’s a great group – (checks list) strawberry…switchblade.

(video plays)

MH Fabulous. Fabulous.

TP: Actually I am feeling rather avant garde today, I am feeling rather…what I think we should talk about, is the fact that we need more god in videos. Don’t you think?We have often discussed this. We have often discussed it.

MH: Who has?

TP: well, ah, you and me.

MH: I ain’t never had a talk with you about this at all.

TP: oh, wasn’t it? Oh it must’ve been someone else then. I would definitely say…what’s the next video?

MH: Forget all that. Forget all that. All you gotta think about, right, if you wanna talk about god, let’s talk about god. It’s about time god got a bit more space on tv because there are values that should be all-important to everyone’s life, in these times, that sometimes get neglected, and I do think one of those people is god. Because god is all powerful and god should be with us. Regardless of what religion any of you people are out there, you must have an understanding of what good is and what bad is and what god is. Or, I hope so.

TP: That was beautiful, Mark, that was beautiful.

MH: this is….Kissing the pink, radio on.

TP: oh blimey I remember that one yeah.

(video plays)

[Dum Dum Girl plays in background]

MH: can I uh, can I say a few words to the camera please?

TP: yeah, do you think I should be a bit weird with this bit?

MH: No, no, I think you should let me get a few words in.

TP: right right. Go.

MH: In this world, there are good actors and there are great actors, it is very rare that people involved in music should have this ability to act as well, there are very few people who have actually achieved this, one is, obviously, David Bowie, the other is Michael Talbot who to my way of thinking should be called Sir Michael Talbot, because he is one of the greats. I would now like to present Sir Michael Talbot who I think is a feature of this next video, by the style council, and it is called Speak like a child.

Dutch Magazine, 1998

Mark Hollis takes off the sticker from his first, self-titled solo CD at the beginning of the interview, which reads ‘formerly of Talk Talk’ as a recommendation. Then the humble Englishman explains why he does that. “Because the artwork looks better then, not because I distance myself from my past.” Still, we would like to talk about the past for a while. Because if someone like Mark Hollis doesn’t release a record for seven years, then something must be wrong. Not true? “No, not necessarily. I like to make music, but I don’t always feel the need to record it. I’ve written a number of compositions for woodwinds in recent years, just because I found it an interesting challenge. Every record that I record, I have the feeling that it could be the last. Until The Color Of Spring I always had to make concessions with Talk Talk. Only from Spirit Of Eden did I have total freedom to do whatever I wanted .. The same goes for Laughing Stock and this new CD.

If I decide to make another CD, I have to have a good reason for it. I need time to find out to what extent that new record differs from its predecessor so that it has a right to exist.” However, most artists have a contract stating that they have to make a new CD every few years. How did Mark Hollis get that coveted freedom to do whatever he wants? “The success of The Color Of Spring has ensured that. As a result, I have had hardly any contact with record companies for the past twelve years. That is a luxury position. I am treated the way one treats writers. As long as I have nothing to say, I don’t have to say anything. I do have a contract, but only when I requested an advance for this record, I committed myself to actually make it. But then I had already written the entire album and so I knew what I wanted. The arrangements were finished. I knew it was going to be a fully acoustic record. And I knew where, how and with whom I was going to record. So the basis was fixed, but when recording the musicians were given the freedom to interpret the material in their own way. The music had to sound relaxed, to the point of improvisation.” As you can hear on the rightly acclaimed CD, Mark Hollis’ music is becoming more and more subdued and smaller. Can he see that process continue? “Yes. at the moment I can’t imagine making another CD like this one. I can imagine making an instrumental record or an album for all piano. This album is the next step towards total silence, but that doesn’t mean that silence is more important than music or that I will ever stop making music. Music respects silence, silence sets the tempo of the music and music gives me a reason to break the silence.

Pink Light with Mark Hollis (translated from Italian)

When spring arrives for the leader of Talk Talk it is the moment of poignant memories because love is never forgotten.

He is 24 years old, he is not beautiful at first sight and is also introverted, almost unfriendly. Then comes the charm of someone who is modest about his feelings and who experiences emotions in an intense and profound way. Mark Hollis, up to now has put into use all his sensations and a new romantic and refined rock has come out, that of Talk Talk, of which Mark is the mastermind. He is in love with Italy, with his city, London, when it is immersed in fog, with green spaces and with the “voice” of animals. He is especially in love with Africa which with its harsh and wild nature is the source of all his inspiration.

A less abstract love, a little more human love, don’t you have it, Mark?

“A girl you mean? No, at the moment I don’t have any fixed relationship, of the kind that make you say: “Now I have to go because she is waiting for me.” Well, I’m not in love.”

Haven’t you found a girl yet to make you dizzy?

“Maybe they are there and I meet them, but the fact is that at the moment I am too busy with my work and I can’t see them. You realize that I haven’t been home for about a year. This means that if I had a girlfriend she would be alone for twelve months! With this I am not a misogynist, I try to capture love a little here and a little there, as it happens to me.”

Do you mean that you make love the same even without being in love?

“Yes, I do, even if it is not a thought that haunts me, precisely because I am conditioned by my pace of work. Basically, I am like a footballer, even when I am not working I am forced to think only of my profession… little else.”

What strikes you first in a girl?

“The eyes, no matter what color they are, as long as they “speak”; then the legs, I like long and full legs, with a thin ankle. Clean and natural beauty immediately attracts me. The best is when the girl also has a good character and is intelligent.”

And how do you flirt with her?

“With words. I tell her many fantastic stories, I chat to the point of making her stunned and senseless. I try to convince her that I am the most interesting person on this earth. To court someone is beautiful and adventurous: you are in agony, in a sprint and you are not sure you will reach the finish line.”

Have you fallen in love often?

“So many times that I even believed that it wasn’t true love. The first happened at school, in the city where I lived and studied, Birmingham. She was a splendid girl, she studied in a classroom next to mine, I saw her everyday from the window and daydreamed. I didn’t think she could fall in love with me, but it happened.”

Why is it over?

“For the usual reasons that make all stories shipwrecked… out of boredom, or fatigue, or whatever.”

Did you suffer a lot?

“Yes, I don’t like to talk about it. Everything seemed perfect between us and, instead, at a certain point she left me for another… To say that I was very upset is an understatement.”

How are you in love? Closed and reserved or expansive?

“I am very sweet and outgoing, because my first concern is to make the woman I love happy.”